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Post by booncabal on Nov 15, 2021 17:01:14 GMT
I've just checked and it took 4 msgs for Jimmy Saville to get a mention.
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wilgutspleens
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Post by wilgutspleens on Nov 15, 2021 17:01:48 GMT
THESE ARE NOT THE NEW RULES. I play the new rules already and enjoy them, however this is currently not the new ruleset and not designed around the redrafting like the new rules are. Which is why I think we should adopt the new rules as they are written.How would you do it Wise One?
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Post by haugster on Nov 15, 2021 17:13:17 GMT
But you don't want the new rules; you just want to put a TV cap in - that neither the old rules, nor the new rules say anything about.
And that is just to fix a problem that was generated by restructuring the league so that every team could have a shot at the title, but also meant that every team could meet every other team, something they weren't ready for.
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Post by booncabal on Nov 15, 2021 17:48:05 GMT
But you don't want the new rules; you just want to put a TV cap in - that neither the old rules, nor the new rules say anything about. And that is just to fix a problem that was generated by restructuring the league so that every team could have a shot at the title, but also meant that every team could meet every other team, something they weren't ready for. So we all agree there is a problem? We can't implement the new rules as BB2 isn't flexible enough. This is intended as the next best thing. If you can keep your dwarfs and still sit 1800, what's the problem? Not intended to be aggressive so here to soften my meaning is an e-cock !!!!!!!!!!!D----- O
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Post by haugster on Nov 15, 2021 17:57:09 GMT
If there's a problem, that problem is that the structure of the league puts teams with too big a TV difference against each other, in my opinion. I'm not sure what putting the TV cap in is supposed to solve. There will not be fewer blocks, guards or tackle-skills about, if that's the problem - and if that's the problem, perhaps the solution should be banning bashing teams altogether? Dwarfs, as you know, will have a lot of those skills even at 1200 or even 1000 TV value.
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Post by nobby on Nov 15, 2021 18:45:17 GMT
I play the new rules already and enjoy them, however this is currently not the new ruleset and not designed around the redrafting like the new rules are. Which is why I think we should adopt the new rules as they are written.How would you do it Wise One? Except it is currently not balanced around the NEW RULES WHICH ARE NOT IMPLEMENTED IN BLOOD BOWL 2 I fail to see how no one except Haugster understands this.
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Post by booncabal on Nov 15, 2021 19:28:25 GMT
Which is why I think we should adopt the new rules as they are written.How would you do it Wise One? Except it is currently not balanced around the NEW RULES WHICH ARE NOT IMPLEMENTED IN BLOOD BOWL 2 I fail to see how no one except Haugster understands this. You're literally NOT READING WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING. The practical reality is that consistent split divisions between rookie and experienced teams is impossible here for several reasons, not least lack of coaches. FL tries to navigate what works, what's best, what's fair and what's fun as best as it can, but it's never going to be perfect or suit all. This is a simple effort to level the playing field. It might not work but it's a solution that is worth trying, so I don't get the tears?
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wilgutspleens
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Post by wilgutspleens on Nov 15, 2021 20:25:54 GMT
But you don't want the new rules; you just want to put a TV cap in - that neither the old rules, nor the new rules say anything about. And that is just to fix a problem that was generated by restructuring the league so that every team could have a shot at the title, but also meant that every team could meet every other team, something they weren't ready for. Who doesn't want the new rules? Who is this comment directed at?
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Post by nearly on Nov 15, 2021 20:45:48 GMT
As Nearly points out over, you can trim the squads by removing the fodder and whatnot. I have checked, and I don't have to fire a single dwarf to come under the 1800 TV cap, so I don't really see the point of the whole exercise. I don't see the point of making new rules to the game at all. Till we have BB3, let's play BB2. I was trying to point out the flaws in Valis’ plan. I.e. it wouldn’t be too effective a balancing tool if someone really wanted to min max their team. I do think that there is a huge imbalance in long term BB2, and we are getting to the point where it’s becoming not fun in some match ups (even my lizards are not looking forward to playing another chaos team immediately after the Heralds had the most spectacular injury and armour rolls). Not fun games means a general drift away of players, and we’re a small community that can’t really afford that. If I ran GW, I’d make it easier to put a player out of the game, but harder to kill/cripple them. For us, I’d probably either be more stringent on the TV limit to avoid being reset (include the treasury, to avoid coaches following my suggestion and taking the piss; or have a maximum season limit for teams. Part of me doesn’t like the second option, because it stunts the opportunity for long term player stories, but if we’re honest I don’t think anybody other than Thricedarned has written any fluff in the last six months. 😔. Part of me likes the idea of short lifespan teams because I might try to make a fist of playing some of the ideas I have rather than giving up after losing three games.
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Post by nearly on Nov 15, 2021 20:49:42 GMT
Extra post to say that Haugster is partially correct in that the current fixture making system does have the potential to throw underdeveloped teams to the lions early on, but neglects to recognise that a more traditional ladder doesn’t get rid of the problem, only delays the inevitable. Given that we’re a select gathering, I suspect that it’d be almost impossible to get six games a season against appropriately matched teams anyway.
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Post by wilgutspleens on Nov 15, 2021 20:56:12 GMT
Oooh! All these bloomin Barry Scott stories are fluff I will have you know! I remember when all this was fluff. When it was considered compulsory and the match report was more important than the result.
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Post by booncabal on Nov 15, 2021 21:15:27 GMT
Oooh! All these bloomin Barry Scott stories are fluff I will have you know! I remember when all this was fluff. When it was considered compulsory and the match report was more important than the result. Amen. I would love to, but time is always against me.
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Post by nearly on Nov 15, 2021 21:53:49 GMT
Oooh! All these bloomin Barry Scott stories are fluff I will have you know! I remember when all this was fluff. When it was considered compulsory and the match report was more important than the result. Please accept my apologies. Time’s not going as fast as I thought it was.
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Post by haugster on Nov 15, 2021 22:12:16 GMT
Except it is currently not balanced around the NEW RULES WHICH ARE NOT IMPLEMENTED IN BLOOD BOWL 2 I fail to see how no one except Haugster understands this. You're literally NOT READING WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING. The practical reality is that consistent split divisions between rookie and experienced teams is impossible here for several reasons, not least lack of coaches. FL tries to navigate what works, what's best, what's fair and what's fun as best as it can, but it's never going to be perfect or suit all. This is a simple effort to level the playing field. It might not work but it's a solution that is worth trying, so I don't get the tears? Personally, it's all the bullshit reasons that are getting to me; it's the spirit of the game, it's the new ruleset etc, and also the restructuring of the league, that I also feel is a bad idea, and make the matter worse. Focus on this point here, and not all the other stuff, and I am more sympathetic to your point. My other point still remains, though: we can fire all the support players, and keep the "good" ones, and of course we will. Do you expect me to fire the dwarfs and keep the hobgobs? Why do chaos dwarfs play blood bowl? To spread the love? And how do they win games? By hugging trees? They do it by chopping trees! And further, on the topic of my team: 4 of my dwarfs only have two skills, 1 have three, and 1 have four. They're not insanely developed. I have lost 6 dwarfs along the way, and I am constantly rebuilding one and they're not that easy to build. Furthermore, the bashing teams mostly gear up to tackle the other bashing teams after a while - it's them that they fear, cause bashing teams have no means of getting away - they are stuck in the fight, and as we all now, it just takes one bad fight..
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Post by wilgutspleens on Nov 16, 2021 7:34:31 GMT
You're literally NOT READING WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING. The practical reality is that consistent split divisions between rookie and experienced teams is impossible here for several reasons, not least lack of coaches. FL tries to navigate what works, what's best, what's fair and what's fun as best as it can, but it's never going to be perfect or suit all. This is a simple effort to level the playing field. It might not work but it's a solution that is worth trying, so I don't get the tears? Personally, it's all the bullshit reasons that are getting to me; it's the spirit of the game, it's the new ruleset etc, and also the restructuring of the league, that I also feel is a bad idea, and make the matter worse. Focus on this point here, and not all the other stuff, and I am more sympathetic to your point. My other point still remains, though: we can fire all the support players, and keep the "good" ones, and of course we will. Do you expect me to fire the dwarfs and keep the hobgobs? Why do chaos dwarfs play blood bowl? To spread the love? And how do they win games? By hugging trees? They do it by chopping trees! And further, on the topic of my team: 4 of my dwarfs only have two skills, 1 have three, and 1 have four. They're not insanely developed. I have lost 6 dwarfs along the way, and I am constantly rebuilding one and they're not that easy to build. Furthermore, the bashing teams mostly gear up to tackle the other bashing teams after a while - it's them that they fear, cause bashing teams have no means of getting away - they are stuck in the fight, and as we all now, it just takes one bad fight.. Actually, it's not all about you! Might come as surprise I know. When you use inflammatory terms like "bullshit reasons" you are ignoring the whole gist of the debate and directing the discussion into a polarised slanging match. This is the influence of social media. BB2 is broke. This has been recognised by the creators and the 2020 rules are another attempt to fix it. Alan was trying to find a way that would tread some middle ground and be kind to the teams that are effected most by the changes. All these toys on the floor have got to go back in the prams. Alan puts a lot of work into this league, always has done, with no help and when he tries to make things better, you start shouting bullshit! If BB3 had been released on time we would already be playing these rules . Change is coming whether you like it or not, if you decide it's not for you , well there are other leagues. They ain't Funleague tho.
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